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're going to grind it out. >> one year ago this week, president obama beat former massachusetts governor mitt romney in the 2012 election. now the president invokes the name of his defeated gop rival to defend health care reform. in just a moment, governor romney joins me for an exclusive interview. and president obama's approval rating is at an all-time low. obamacare is at a rough start. more u.s. spy revelations have rocked even our closest allies. and did the president consider replacing vice president joe biden with then-secretary of state hillary clinton? that's according to a bombshell in a new book "double down, game changing 2012." bob woodward, katty kay, david axelrod, bill kristol. i'm david gregory in washington. >>> and good sunday morning. the killing of a tsa agent at los angeles international airport is raising questions about the motives of the 23-year-old suspect, and also airport security. do tsa agents need to be armed? our justice correspondent pete williams will be here in a little while to give us an update and fresh report on all of that. but first, the obama car
to and even then at the very last minute. under romney-care in massachusetts, in many ways, this was the template of the affordable care act. this is where things stood after one month, 123 people have seened up. granted, it is one state, there are 34 states using the federal obama care website. that's about one-third of 1%. after otwo months in massachusetts, just 2,300 people have enrolled. it was only after 11 months under the threat of a penalty about to be imposed that more than 36,000 people in massachusetts would go on to enroll. most of them didn't enroll until that 11-month mark. so obama care can work. it won't kick in until the end of next march, five months from now. getting it to work depends on getting the problems ironed out and getting americans of all ages signed up. the obama administration needs to straighten out the political mess it's created. it's not just one future cabinet secretary at stake. this is the fate of the democratic party and beyond it is tied to whether obama care succeeds. the short term, that means getting the website fixed. in the long
? >> right. the white house continues to point to massachusetts where 123 people enrolled in the program the first month. that number steadily grew. >> speaking of massachusetts, i thought it was fascinating yesterday, the same man that accused mitt romney of killing a woman, remember that? mitt romney killed my wife. remember that commercial? he was such a beast, a horrible human being. mitt romney killed my wife. barack obama believed that. >> obama did not claim that. the president did not say that. >> hillary clinton wasn't running against him in 2012. >> this commercial was put together by some sort of arm. >> somebody very close to barack obama. barack obama takes responsibility, the buck stops with barack obama. >> okay. >> barack obama and his campaign and people connected to his campaign and people closely associated with him in the past claimed that mitt romney killed a woman. >> okay. the story is bad enough, you don't need to do that. >> can i please make my point? i'm going to say it again, barack obama, his campaign, they all claimed in 2012. it was one of the most horrific
in massachusetts and the same people who were the architects of the affordable care act, so to say that they were different plans is ridiculous. >> dave, you've heard republicans have been very critical here of obama care specifically the individual mandate. and mitt romney did make a comment on that. take a listen. >> you say it should only be done at the state level, but here's what he said in 2007 about the idea of the thmandate. >> i think you'll find when it's all said and done after all the states that are the laboratories of democracy get their chance to try their own plans, that those who follow the path that we pursued will find it's the best path and we'll end up with a nation that has taken a mandate approach. >> so what is your thought here? what is done on the state level, is it reasonable for think it can be done on the national level? >> i'll say something very rare. i think romney is being consistent. actually is consistent to say he wants a state plan being he wants the federal government to stay out of it. it might irritate democrats to see him again, but he is making a correct
of massachusetts and that was changed as a national symbol. kennedy made it romantic and republicans were able to reduce it to harvard, symbolic out of the mainstream, too smart for prime time sort of thing. we both know boston is far more than harvard. scott brown is very much massachusetts just as elizabeth warren is. and i can see a guy like chris christie coming out of somewhere, southy or some other area in the greater boston area, like massachusetts is so much more than we were tagged dukakis. >> that gets to -- the reason i like michael dukakis, if somebody is wondering, why does he care about dukakis 25 years later? i think he gets one of the worst raps and unfair raps of any sort of modern major political figure. part of what you're saying about massachusetts is this idea of him being the harvard brookline tech no craft, volvo, wine and cheese, that's the label -- this image that stuck around him. i think it's tremendously unfair. not who he is. if you look at his rise in massachusetts, he appealed to the first generation and second generation pride, families off the boat struggling t
, noted that in the first month of sign-ups for the massachusetts version of health reform, only 100 people signed none the whole first month. but in massachusetts, eventually the glitches got ironed out, and enrollment numbers went up. and now in massachusetts, there
, for example, noted that in the first month of sign-ups for the massachusetts version of health reform, only 100 people signed none the whole first month. but in massachusetts, eventually the glitches got ironed out, and enrollment numbers went up. and now in massachusetts, there is essentially universal coverage. that state is essentially the template for our national numbers. but the numbers out today, 100,000 people signed up in the first month. in addition, another one million people were determined to be eligible for getting a new play in marketplaces for health insurance. but they have not chosen a plan yet. the overall idea is for everybody to get insurance over time. the republicans are rejoicing in the early low numbers, praying nobody else signs up to get health insurance, but we'll see how it goes. history tells us these things do tend to start slowly. also in washington today, you just heard on "all in" with chris hayes, they also saw the introduction of a landmark new piece of federal legislation that would try to protect women's access to abortion, protecting it, not curtailing
hill. he was in massachusetts touting his health care law in the state he claims obama care now is modelled on. massachusetts. the president struggled to address the wave of cancellation letters that are hitting both individuals and small businesses who buy their own insurance. this, of course, follows his repeated vows over several years that anyone who likes their insurance would be able to keep it. >> so if you're getting one of these letters, just shop around in the new marketplace. that's what it's for. >> our first guest tonight at that hearing today, she pressed sebelius on what some are calling the question of the day while making a strong point about obama care and lightening the mood just a bit at the same time. asking whether men can have babies, joining us, congresswoman renee elmers, member of the house committee on energy and commerce is x the republican women's policy committee. congresswoman, the question you asked, as i said, aside from lightening the mood, gets to some of the problems with obama care. did you expect an answer? >> you know, i knew that this was
there is no way obamacare would have ever passed. massachusetts might like their health care plan but all of the polls show it and president obama not only his approval rating personally but politically as well has gone down as a result of the rollout. >> the polls show they like the shutdown even less. we will be sitting here and i promise you it is going to cost republicans in the midterm. martha: we will bring you back and find out. what does the president do now, what does he say, that continues to be asked this morning. always good to see you. bill: can a 6'5", 320-pound professional football player be bullied? why did miami dolphins player say he walked away from his team and the other player on that team now suspended indefinitely? martha: investigation into benghazi now goes to the next level. one senator issuing a bold threat the white house unless congress get some answers finally. >> the fact is we have four dead americans because of a protest or because of guys out for a while decided to kill some americans? what difference at this point does it make? (dad) just feather it out
. massachusetts teaches us some important lessons, some states are not going to want to follow. one lesson is health insurance is more expenlsive in massachusetts than anywhere else in the country. >> romney says obama care is a "one-sized fits all plan. he believes states should craft their own health care plans. >>> well, the healthcare.gov web site is back up. the site was down for extended maintenance to correct problems. the outage lasted about 12 hours. also, you can use a toll free number to sign up for hemt insurance. president obama weighs in today for terry mcauliffe. obama joins former secretary of state hillary clinton who have lent a hand this week. cnn's erin mcpike. >> reporter: the virginia's governor's race is always an off-year election. i wanted's always the year before the midterm election. so political watchers on both sides of the aisle pay close attention for what kinds of trends it can show them leading into the midterm elections. right now, democrats are hammering republicans. take a listen to what president obama said earlier today when he was trying to link ken c
what the president could have done, meaning looking at massachusetts, seeing what the plan of massachusetts did. he noted that the president could have seen that people would actually be kicked off their insurance policies, that there was a lot to learn from the states having control including the biggest lesson of all, he said the president should learn to be honest. take a listen. >> obamacare barely made it through washington, as you know. there is no question in my mind that had the president been truthful and told the american people that millions would lose their insurance and millions more would see their premiums skyrocket, had he told them that at the time it was going through washington there would have been such a hew and cry against it, it would not have passed. >> mitt romney goes on to say what was good for massachusetts was not good for everyone. if he actually said some of you are going to be kicked off your insurance we wouldn't be at the place we are right now. some people are saying look at the website. every night it goes down, it's not secure. the other
of a bunch of women in massachusetts and said, "no longer will these evil insurance companies be able to charge you women more." but when did you last go to the doctor? >> when did i go to the doctor? >> elizabeth is going to answer quite quickly. women go to the doctor much more often than men. maybe they're smarter or maybe they're hypochondriacs. they live longer, i don't know. you ought to be able to charge the people who use the services more, more. >> the affordable care act was a historic achievement for women's health on several fronts. women can't be denied for a gender-based preexisting condition. it covers preventative services up such as contraception and mammograms. but what gets stossel's mustache in a twist is the law brings an end to the discriminatory practice of gender rating, which allowed insurance to charge women premiums costing up to 150% more than their male counterparts. rates are calculated by risk. a healthy woman who regularly sees her doctor for preventive screenings is actually minimizing her risk. or, according to john stosel, she's a hypochondriac. take
was in massachusetts touting his health care law in the state he claims obama care now is modelled on. massachusetts. the president struggled to address the wave of cancellation letters that are hitting both individuals and small businesses who buy their own insurance. this, of course, follows his repeated vows over several years that anyone who likes their insurance would be able to keep it. >> so if you're getting one of these letters, just shop around in the new marketplace. that's what it's for. >> our first guest tonight at that hearing today, she pressed sebelius on what some are calling the question of the day while making a strong point about obama care and lightening the mood just a bit at the same time. asking whether men can have babies, joining us, congresswoman renee elmers, member of the house committee on energy and commerce is x the republican women's policy committee. congresswoman, the question you asked, as i said, aside from lightening the mood, gets to some of the problems with obama care. did you expect an answer? >> you know, i knew that this was going to be a difficult questi
with obamacare if we teenage time to enact it will be popular as it is in massachusetts. >> you may be right but it's speculative. even if you -- even if you are right, doesn't it seem logical as i said in the talking points memo to just give it another year and iron it all out, explain it, i don't see a downside in that. i really don't. i would allow people who want to sign up to continue to sign up, all right? those who do the no give them a year fix what's broken it doesn't make me unhappy unlike other commentators it does not make me happy to see the president of the united states, no heart who he or she might be to be accused of being a liar. a rank liar that doesn't make me happy. i think we should get away from that. give it a year, it's our fault, we screwed it up. we will unscrew it and then we will go next september or whatever. doesn't that make sense to you, doc? >> two responses. one is the reason we can't delay it bill it comes to the most poor par part of the law. discriminate against insurer discriminate by charging sick more than healthy. you can't do that without the man da
committee yesterday about massachusetts' experience. massachusetts is ahead of us in all of this. they have done the same thing with what we like to call romney care. so they said it was the same thing. people usually tend not to sign up until the last minute. and nobody is due until -- nothing is available even until january 1st. there's no penalty until march 1st, which is months away. and if you're a small business coming in, you don't have to come until your existing policy rolls over, which could be a year from now. so i think we have got to be a little patient with the, you know, first two minutes of the game outcomes and predicting what the final score is going to be. >> well, obama care is going to be a big story in 2014. is there any parallel by the way it was handled by terry mcauliffe in virginia and the way the democrats and the mid terms should handle it in 2014? he didn't run away from it and his opponent was saying it was a referendum. the election was a referendum on obama care. how do you break that down, and what do you see for 2014? >> you know, it's hard for me to give a
was a benefit directed at older people alone and not younger people and what massachusetts tells us the more direct analogous experience tells us young people come in very late. those who in massachusetts qualified for medicaid coverage or other kinds of coverage that did not require the payment of a premium came in fairly large numbers right away. premium paying customers didn't come until late as we cited in the past and only 123 folks came in massachusetts and the first month. for those of us who either have kids or some of you are young enough to remember when you were like at that age, it has always been the expectation in the case that the younger americans will wait until the last minute when they make a decision and apply and enroll. so that was our expectation that there would be the case and we tried to telegraph that in general about enrollment and the crescendo that we expect. there's no question that the problems on the web site have exacerbated the trend, which is why we have to work all the harder to make sure that it gets up and running and that we do everything we can to mak
of a harborer of the country than massachusetts where mitt romney was governor. the point is resonant it's not a republican state. he doesn't have to worry about the same type of conservative base issues he'd find in a republican primary. but that's not his pitch. his pitch is do you want to win the white house or not? and the truth of the matter is his argument, i think, is there is an opening in the republican party for that. there are a lot of conservatives who are going to line up and compete for conservative votes. whether it's ted cruz or rand paul. but i do think that there will be a slot for a chris christie type. he did talk about that this -- in our interview today he said i think there are some republicans that are more interested in winning the argument than they are in winning an election, anderson. >> i think one of the things also about chris christie looking ahead to the base is, it wasn't just mitt romney. it was also bob dole at the end of his second term. it was also george w. bush that the tea party said, these guys, we've tried too many times. but in the end it's abo
of enrollment in the first month of massachusetts as well. that is all excuse-making from my point of view because the rollout has been disasterous. jon: the rollout has been disasterous, and, charlie, we're starting to see some of the consequences of implementation of obamacare. people who listened to the president's promise about keeping your health plan if you liked it and now they're finding you can't. >> yeah. you know, listening to some of this hearing people like senator pat roberts from kansas, these are not highly partisan, they're conservatives but these are not highly partisan senators. and they are, they are unleashed on kathleen sebelius and i think it is because the, it has become very, is a very mainstream sort of complaint to want to pull your hair out over this and i think it is quite frankly what we saw in virginia where ken cuccinelli, closed that gap from a solid double-digit, you know, behind, to bring it to within a couple of points? i can't help but think, a lot of that has to do with, just absolute rage among independents and even probably a lot of democrats over wh
massachusetts is we will get those people. >> it was just an eye opener to say potential death spiral four the one of the architects of obama care. >> this is one of these plans where not only do you need about 7 million people to sign up by march 31st but you read the right mix of people, you need people healthy, generally young and haven't felt an incentive and don't necessarily feel incentive to buy healthcare. you need get them it to sign up. these are people who tend to be tech savvy who want to registeron line. they don't want to fill out a paper application and make a phone call. if they don't get the right mix of people it's going to make costs go um. that is actually i think the biggest concern in all of this. put the web site problems aside. put some of these issues with the president's rhetoric aside, if this plan doesn't have the right mix of people, there are going to be pretty widespread policy changes. >> you are not asking healthy people to buy healthcare. you are asking healthy people to buy other people's healthcare. that's a key. it's a matter of people who don't need it
states includes new jersey, massachusetts, what voters is a decided today offers an intryinging look at the parts. governor races in new jersey and virginia, and six states have more than 30 battle measures ranging from a hike in the minimum wage, new taxes on the sale of marijuana, and 200 million bond issue to save the houston astro dome, and there are cities electing mayors like atlanta, detroit, houston and new york. let's begin with the governor races, new jersey governor chris christie said he's not concerned about lack of support from the state's tea party republicans, and from the looks of the polls he has no reason to be. christie is expected to win in a landslide over democrat barbara bono. we just heard that the associated press has just called the race for governor chris christie in the state of new jersey. but it's been a different story in virginia why terry mcauliffe faced off against a conservative opponentopponent ken cuccine ll. mmcmcauliffe leads with a very small lead. let's go to new jersey and john terrett is there with the latest news. >> reporter: as you cross
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. i got elected in an attempt to stop obama care. in massachusetts they had a deal with the white house where they held me up being sworn in for a couple of weeks so they could ram it through. then when i got there, don't forget they did not allow one amendment to try to fix this bill in any way, spe or form. so shame on themnow. people like landrieu and shaheen and pryor and begitch complaining we didn't know anything about the grand fathering and the fact that people are going to lose their policies. theyoted on it. every one of them said hey, we don't ce. soealth care and the debacle that we're seeing right now and the fact that people are deeply deeply concerned and rightly so that it's going to cost too much, it's going to have way too much long wait in line in it, and it's just mess. >> are you concerned further, though, that the republicans don't seem to be finding a common voice here? they have an opportunity to go in to 2014 and just -- i mean, i think they have got a gift from this administration and from the democrats on capitol hill in both houses that should assure th
. that the jury is out. it worked in massachusetts. it's not looking good in the early months. the question is how will it unfold. the president unfortunately got himself in a box on two issues. one nobody would lose their health insurance no matter what and the other idea is not everybody will be better off. some will have to pay more. that's the nature of insurance. for every story of yours, there's an editorial in "journal" where a woman can't get insurance and is very sick. it's a year to the mid-term elections. the website will be a memory by then. the question is are people signed up. >> we'll get back to this but we have another big story this morning. later today twitter will begin trading on the new york stock exchange. the company has listed its initial public offering at $26 a share. it's the largest technology ipo since facebook debuted last year. >> so steve should willie and i buy this stock? >> willie asked me that before. i didn't want to answer off camera. >> i know. i heard that. i pretended i didn't hear it. i asked you on camera. >> steve, should i buy twitter? let's talk about
's regretting the campaign he ran. he ran as a faux right winger. he's the massachusetts governor who was a centrist governor. i think he's looking at christie that can run the campaign he should have win. >> that would be real serendipity. christie wanted that job and romney obviously looked at him and found him too heavyweight, actually too big for the job. >> chris christie -- >> he's losing some weight. >> that conversation with kelly o'donnell. >> i had a conversation with him once where i made a stupid crack about his weight and he called me up and said i'm working on it. you can't not like a guy like that. who doesn't have weight problems. >> a lot of americans can relate to that. we've got three big races today, new york city mayor, bill de blasio against joe lhota. terry mcauliffe is several points ahead of ken cuccinelli and chris christie has a wide lead over barbara buono. but virginia, new jersey say a lot of the ballots for the heart of the republican party. the clintons are really making virginia their territory. >> exactexactly. >> but it's going to show the difference
at the republican plan, the only one we saw was romney care, massachusetts. that's right. that's where obama care emanated a lot of its ideas. so they can't quote that. going to have to leave it there. thank you for your time this evening. >> thanks a lot. >>> coming up, the billionaires right wingers bank rolling these creepy ads have a new plan to attack democrats today. >>> and get ready. it's almost time for tonight's edition of rand paul plagiarizes. no need to source this one. we got you again. next. [ female announcer ] who are we? we are the thinkers. the job jugglers. the up all-nighters. and the ones who turn ideas into action. we've made our passions our life's work. we strive for the moments where we can say, "i did it!" ♪ we are entrepreneurs who started it all... with a signature. legalzoom has helped start over 1 million businesses, turning dreamers into business owners. and we're here to help start yours. to get our adt security system. and one really big reason -- the house next door. our neighbor's house was broken into. luckily, her family wasn't there, but what if this happe
this is working. president obama last week in a speech in boston, massachusetts, talked about what was unfolding in the state of kentucky, and said that pretty much this is the model. well, let me tell you something. this is the man right here, who is making it happen in the state of kentucky. this is the man who understands the vision, and is making health care a reality for kentucky residents. i sat down with the governor of kentucky today, steve beshear. governor beshear has been a big part of obama care's success in the state. as soon as the law was passed, he saw the vision. they got to work on the infrastructure for the exchange. they're up and running and it's working. he's cut through all the negative misinformation, and all of the lies that have been out there about obama care, and clearly explained to us today why this law is good, it's working, and it's great for the country as a whole. >> congratulations. >> thank you very much. thanks for coming to kentucky. >> it's good to be here. why is it so smooth in kentucky? >> well, our folks are the real heroes here, ed. the people that wor
, massachusetts right now. sasha eisenberg, author of "the secret science of winning campaigns" which thankfully is out in paper back. it's great to see you, my friend. i think the last time we talked was in the wake of the 2012 election. i woernd given the work you did and reporting you did in that election cycle whether you think any lessons have been learned on the right side of the aisle in terms of voter outrage? can we see any lessons in virginia? >> i've been really surprised. there's been a lot of lip service on the right starting with rnc postmortem report that came out this year, talking about the need to make better investments and the ground game, the use of data and analytics. i don't in talking to republicans at the national or local level see a lot of people who have developed the expertise to do that. this is difficult, sophisticated stuff. your normal sort of political operative staffer types don't have the skill set to do it. in the wake of the democrat's loss in 2004, they invest in a lot of new institutions to house data, do analysis, do testing at great costs that existed on
powerful talking point and democrats gave it to him. >> a permutation of what happened in massachusetts where the national party, probably because they thought they were going to have it. thank you very much, steve kornacki and karen finney. you want to catch both on the weekend and every weekend, "up with steve" at 8:00 a.m., saturdays and sundays. and "disrupt with karen finney" afternoons at 4:00 p.m. we take a quick break. we're awaiting that news conference with the mayor of toronto, rob ford, who earlier today admitted using crack cocaine. ♪ [ female announcer ] can you bridge a divide with a fresh baked brownie? ♪ yes! yes you can. bake the world a better place with nestle toll house. >>> all right. we are going out to toronto. this is mayor rob ford speaking. >> with today's announcement, i know i embarrassed everyone in the city, and i will be forever sorry. there is only one person to blame for this. and that is myself. i know that admitting my mistake was the right thing to do. and i feel like a thousand pounds have been lifted off my shoulders. i can't explain how diffic
is but it is by no means new york pitch no means, massachusetts. by no means even another state. it is still a relatively conservative state. but it is moving to the center. opinion of the president's health care law. 51%. so a majority of the voters today opposed the president's health care law. if the exit polls hold up, a democrat will win the governor's race even though they say they oppose obama care. let's move it over again. this is not a state clamoring for more government but it is a divide. government should do more. 46% say government should do more but a majority, 51% said the government is doing too much biffle no mean big a liberal state. but here's the lesson. if these polls hold up. if terry mcauliffe wins the race, this will be the conversation. the republican you just mentioned was identified with the tea party. also identified with some very conservative views on social issues. 52% of the voters today in the state of virginia said he was too conservative. the argument will be, did republicans nominate someone too far to the right? and among those who said he was too conservative, look
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patrick, the governor of massachusetts blaming the victims of obama care, blaming people who had insurance who have now lost it, blaming cancer patients because of the failures of their own law. the president needs to quit doubling down on the dishonesty and come forth and tell the american people that he misled them. he intentionally misled the american people and what he told them just wasn't true. >> all right, senator barasso, we're out of time. we'll have to leave it there. thank you so much for your time this afternoon. >> thanks for having me. >> well, all eyes were on the races in new jersey and virginia, but there were many other headlines and quite a few firsts from election night. in boston, the people of bean town elected state representative marty walsh to replace the city's longest serving mayor. voters in detroit elected the city's first white mayor in four decades. mike duggan will be tasked with bringing the motor city back from the financial brink. and new york city will have its first democratic mayor in two decades. earlier today, he met with michael bloomberg, who held
than the small numbers expected, don't matter that much in the long run. in massachusetts, young people were among the last to sign up because the initial wave of people are going to be those who need it most urgently. until those young people start lining up later in the game, we need to not turn them off of the system. all of the pundits who are exploiting this for political gain need to make sure they understand the system will be up and running and you do need to sign up for your sake so we don't have uninsured young people and so we're not shouldering the burden of emergency care for all those people. >> kathleen, what do you make of all this? there are skeptics. there are always going to be skeptics when there are big pieces of legislation. this legislation should not be without its skepticism given how it's been rolled out. >> absolutely. i have a couple things to say in response to your point, the young people signing up. the way to push that is to appeal to parents. parents will ultimately have to foot the bill if their kid gets hurt or has some catastrophic event. >> and paren
. ronald reagan, hell, won in massachusetts. it seems to me, larry, chris christie is a republican who understands that you've got to parachute behind enemy lines and take back some of the blue states or the gop just ain't going to win another presidential election. your take. >> of course that's correct. i mean, they have to do something to win blue states. maybe they start with the purple ones. frankly, larry, like virginia, which is, after all, the closest to the national average presidentially now for both 2008 and 2012. hey, if you can't win virginia back, you're not going to win the white house back. so, the republicans really do have to follow the christie model, even if they don't agree with all of christie's positions. they have to find people who talk blue. you know, there are other people out there, like scott walker, governor of wisconsin, he's won in a blue state and he talks blue. >> john kasich knows how to talk blue. there's a whole bunch of them. in this respect, i think christie is a path-breaker. karen finney, dick, you're great. that's it for this show. lots of twit
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